[Vwdiesel] Smoking Passat
Marvin Jansen
marvinjansen50 at gmail.com
Fri Nov 16 20:25:05 PST 2007
My friend has a Passat with a turbo that apparantly developed an oil leak in
the turbo and saturated the exhaust system with oil. They rebuilt the turbo
but it still smokes bad enough to get pulled over by local police. Any
suggestions to burn it off?
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> 1. Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?
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> 2. Re: Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?
> (mark shepherd)
> 3. Re: Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?
> (mark shepherd)
> 4. Re: Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?
> (raymond greeley)
> 5. Re: Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?
> (mark shepherd)
> 6. Re: Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?
> (Will Taygan)
> 7. Re: Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?
> (Shawn Wright)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Will Taygan <william at taygan.com>
> To: "vwdiesel at vwfans.com" <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:47:53 -0900
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?
> I compression tested the 91 ecodiesel a month ago and got
> 450-480-450-400. (the 94 TD was 450-500 on all 4!)
>
> It starts well when cold, starts well when hot, but there's a zone when
> it's just warm and the glow plugs don't come on that it cranks for a few
> seconds before it catches. Engine? Pump? Glow Sensor? The afterglow is
> 7 seconds, so I just double-glow the 7 second period (no light, just
> current) and things usually improve.
>
> I found a good teaspoon of oil in the #4 injector hole (lowest
> compression cylinder) when I pulled it. I've never seen that before.
>
> There is some trace oil in the coolant overflow. Looks like it had a
> blown headgasket that someone repaired and now there's just a film on
> the plastic. Maybe a few pencil-dot sized specks of oil floating in
> there.
>
> I'm not too worried about it, just curious. Ideas? Theories?
>
> Will.
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "mark shepherd" <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: "vw fans" <Vwdiesel at vwfans.com>, "Will Taygan" <william at taygan.com>
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:05:43 -0000
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector
> hole?
> A common issue. Unless engine has realy good compression/spins fast on
> starter; the water temp sensor turns overrides glow plugs prematurely . A
> manual override cures this and proves that nothing fundamental wrong with
> engine :o)
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will Taygan" <william at taygan.com>
> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:47 PM
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?
>
>
> >I compression tested the 91 ecodiesel a month ago and got
> > 450-480-450-400. (the 94 TD was 450-500 on all 4!)
> >
> > It starts well when cold, starts well when hot, but there's a zone when
> > it's just warm and the glow plugs don't come on that it cranks for a few
> > seconds before it catches. Engine? Pump? Glow Sensor? The afterglow is
> > 7 seconds, so I just double-glow the 7 second period (no light, just
> > current) and things usually improve.
> >
> > I found a good teaspoon of oil in the #4 injector hole (lowest
> > compression cylinder) when I pulled it. I've never seen that before.
> >
> > There is some trace oil in the coolant overflow. Looks like it had a
> > blown headgasket that someone repaired and now there's just a film on
> > the plastic. Maybe a few pencil-dot sized specks of oil floating in
> > there.
> >
> > I'm not too worried about it, just curious. Ideas? Theories?
> >
> > Will.
> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "mark shepherd" <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: "vw fans" <Vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:29:16 -0000
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector
> hole?
> Ooops forgot to ponder on the rest of the posting
> Oil in the prechamber... Are you sure it was oil and not dirty diesel?
> If oil was leaking through a crack then it would be defying the higher
> pressure of the chamber, I guess it could get past a ring with a duff oil
> scraper. Coolant oil being historic seems viable. The low pressure in one
> cylinder is a little out of spec...
> Mark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will Taygan" <william at taygan.com>
> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:47 PM
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?
>
>
> >I compression tested the 91 ecodiesel a month ago and got
> > 450-480-450-400. (the 94 TD was 450-500 on all 4!)
> >
> > It starts well when cold, starts well when hot, but there's a zone when
> > it's just warm and the glow plugs don't come on that it cranks for a few
> > seconds before it catches. Engine? Pump? Glow Sensor? The afterglow is
> > 7 seconds, so I just double-glow the 7 second period (no light, just
> > current) and things usually improve.
> >
> > I found a good teaspoon of oil in the #4 injector hole (lowest
> > compression cylinder) when I pulled it. I've never seen that before.
> >
> > There is some trace oil in the coolant overflow. Looks like it had a
> > blown headgasket that someone repaired and now there's just a film on
> > the plastic. Maybe a few pencil-dot sized specks of oil floating in
> > there.
> >
> > I'm not too worried about it, just curious. Ideas? Theories?
> >
> > Will.
> >
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> From: raymond greeley <rgreeley2 at hotmail.com>
> To: mark shepherd <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk>, "Vwdiesel at vwfans.com" <
> vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:36:59 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector
> hole?
>
> Mine does not give me 7 seconds of glow, so how do i over ride the coolant
> sensor, disconnect the lead. it starts with min turns when cold and
> immediatly after shut off though in that inbetween range it can take several
> cranks to get going again.
> Oh, it is a 1.9 idi engine though in a 91 jetta.
> ray> From: mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk> To: Vwdiesel at vwfans.com;
> william at taygan.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:05:43 +0000> Subject: Re:
> [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?> > A common
> issue. Unless engine has realy good compression/spins fast on > starter; the
> water temp sensor turns overrides glow plugs prematurely . A > manual
> override cures this and proves that nothing fundamental wrong with > engine
> :o)> > Mark> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message
> ----- > From: "Will Taygan" <william at taygan.com>> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:47 PM> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing
> compression numbers - oil in injector hole?> > > >I compression tested the
> 91 ecodiesel a month ago and got> > 450-480-450-400. (the 94 TD was 450-500
> on all 4!)> >> > It starts well when cold, starts well when hot, but there's
> a zone when> > it's just warm and the glow plugs don't come on that it
> cranks for a few> > seconds before it catches. Engine? Pump? Glow Sensor?
> The afterglow is> > 7 seconds, so I just double-glow the 7 second period (no
> light, just> > current) and things usually improve.> >> > I found a good
> teaspoon of oil in the #4 injector hole (lowest> > compression cylinder)
> when I pulled it. I've never seen that before.> >> > There is some trace oil
> in the coolant overflow. Looks like it had a> > blown headgasket that
> someone repaired and now there's just a film on> > the plastic. Maybe a few
> pencil-dot sized specks of oil floating in> > there.> >> > I'm not too
> worried about it, just curious. Ideas? Theories?> >> > Will.> >> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "mark shepherd" <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: "vw fans" <Vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:54:36 -0000
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector
> hole?
> I think pulling the sensor wire from the coolant will do it; but then you
> always get the full cycle.
> In my one 'Q' I had the relay wired up in the engine compartment and
> powered
> the relay via a spare switch on the instrument panel. I could then switch
> the relay off after I started the car, leaving it gave the full cycle.
> Off then back on gives a new cycle.
>
> Leaving switch off when parked made it steal proof[ish]
>
> I also had [still have ;o) ] a light bulb to the glowplug bus bar to see
> the
> truth...
>
> Mark
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "raymond greeley" <rgreeley2 at hotmail.com>
> To: "mark shepherd" <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk>; "Vwdiesel at vwfans.com"
> <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector
> hole?
>
>
>
> Mine does not give me 7 seconds of glow, so how do i over ride the coolant
> sensor, disconnect the lead. it starts with min turns when cold and
> immediatly after shut off though in that inbetween range it can take
> several
> cranks to get going again.
> Oh, it is a 1.9 idi engine though in a 91 jetta.
> ray> From: mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk> To: Vwdiesel at vwfans.com;
> william at taygan.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:05:43 +0000> Subject: Re:
> [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?> > A
> common
> issue. Unless engine has realy good compression/spins fast on > starter;
> the
> water temp sensor turns overrides glow plugs prematurely . A > manual
> override cures this and proves that nothing fundamental wrong with >
> engine
> :o)> > Mark> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original
> Message ----- > From: "Will Taygan" <william at taygan.com>> To:
> <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:47 PM> Subject:
> [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?> > > >I
> compression tested the 91 ecodiesel a month ago and got> >
> 450-480-450-400.
> (the 94 TD was 450-500 on all 4!)> >> > It starts well when cold, starts
> well when hot, but there's a zone when> > it's just warm and the glow
> plugs
> don't come on that it cranks for a few> > seconds before it catches.
> Engine?
> Pump? Glow Sensor? The afterglow is> > 7 seconds, so I just double-glow
> the
> 7 second period (no light, just> > current) and things usually improve.>
> >>
> > I found a good teaspoon of oil in the #4 injector hole (lowest> >
> compression cylinder) when I pulled it. I've never seen that before.> >> >
> There is some trace oil in the coolant overflow. Looks like it had a> >
> blown headgasket that someone repaired and now there's just a film on> >
> the
> plastic. Maybe a few pencil-dot sized specks of oil floating in> > there.>
> >> > I'm not too worried about it, just curious. Ideas? Theories?> >> >
> Will.> >> > _______________________________________________> > Vwdiesel
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> 16/11/2007 09:52> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing
> message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus
> Database:
> 269.15.34/1134 - Release Date: 16/11/2007 09:52> > >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Will Taygan <william at taygan.com>
> To: "vwdiesel at vwfans.com" <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:35:33 -0900
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector
> hole?
> Just to clarify: The light does not come on, but the relay still
> energizes the glow plugs for the 7 seconds (post glow??)
>
> Also, the oil was in the injector hole, I'm not sure how it would get
> from the combustion chamber past the heat shield, so maybe there's a
> crack?? Everything else looked fine, just the lower compression.
>
> Will.
>
> On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 00:54 +0000, mark shepherd wrote:
> > I think pulling the sensor wire from the coolant will do it; but then
> you
> > always get the full cycle.
> > In my one 'Q' I had the relay wired up in the engine compartment and
> powered
> > the relay via a spare switch on the instrument panel. I could then
> switch
> > the relay off after I started the car, leaving it gave the full cycle.
> > Off then back on gives a new cycle.
> >
> > Leaving switch off when parked made it steal proof[ish]
> >
> > I also had [still have ;o) ] a light bulb to the glowplug bus bar to see
> the
> > truth...
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "raymond greeley" <rgreeley2 at hotmail.com>
> > To: "mark shepherd" <mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk>; "Vwdiesel at vwfans.com"
> > <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector
> > hole?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mine does not give me 7 seconds of glow, so how do i over ride the
> coolant
> > sensor, disconnect the lead. it starts with min turns when cold and
> > immediatly after shut off though in that inbetween range it can take
> several
> > cranks to get going again.
> > Oh, it is a 1.9 idi engine though in a 91 jetta.
> > ray> From: mark at shepher.fsnet.co.uk> To: Vwdiesel at vwfans.com;
> > william at taygan.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:05:43 +0000> Subject: Re:
> > [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?> > A
> common
> > issue. Unless engine has realy good compression/spins fast on > starter;
> the
> > water temp sensor turns overrides glow plugs prematurely . A > manual
> > override cures this and proves that nothing fundamental wrong with >
> engine
> > :o)> > Mark> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original
> > Message ----- > From: "Will Taygan" <william at taygan.com>> To:
> > <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:47 PM>
> Subject:
> > [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector hole?> > > >I
> > compression tested the 91 ecodiesel a month ago and got> >
> 450-480-450-400.
> > (the 94 TD was 450-500 on all 4!)> >> > It starts well when cold, starts
> > well when hot, but there's a zone when> > it's just warm and the glow
> plugs
> > don't come on that it cranks for a few> > seconds before it catches.
> Engine?
> > Pump? Glow Sensor? The afterglow is> > 7 seconds, so I just double-glow
> the
> > 7 second period (no light, just> > current) and things usually improve.>
> >>
> > > I found a good teaspoon of oil in the #4 injector hole (lowest> >
> > compression cylinder) when I pulled it. I've never seen that before.> >>
> >
> > There is some trace oil in the coolant overflow. Looks like it had a> >
> > blown headgasket that someone repaired and now there's just a film on> >
> the
> > plastic. Maybe a few pencil-dot sized specks of oil floating in> >
> there.>
> > >> > I'm not too worried about it, just curious. Ideas? Theories?> >> >
> > Will.> >> > _______________________________________________> > Vwdiesel
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Shawn Wright <vwdiesels at gmail.com>
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:52:29 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Analyzing compression numbers - oil in injector
> hole?
> On 16 Nov 2007 at 14:47, Will Taygan <william at taygan.com> wrote:
>
> > I compression tested the 91 ecodiesel a month ago and got
> > 450-480-450-400. (the 94 TD was 450-500 on all 4!)
> >
> > It starts well when cold, starts well when hot, but there's a zone when
> > it's just warm and the glow plugs don't come on that it cranks for a few
> > seconds before it catches. Engine? Pump? Glow Sensor? The afterglow is
> > 7 seconds, so I just double-glow the 7 second period (no light, just
> > current) and things usually improve.
>
> I've wired a small resistor (50-100ohm or so IIRC) in series with the GP
> relay temp sender, so the delay is always a bit longer. This seems to cure
> the cool-warm start issues when the GP didn't used to cycle, and the
> engine
> would crank for a bit before firing.
>
>
>
>
> Shawn Wright
> http://members.shaw.ca/vwdiesels
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