[Vwdiesel] TDI New Beetle No start

[Dave Cook]

I forced it to skip a tooth towards advanced (according to bentley, counter clockwise) and it still wouldn't start.  (Tried the adjustment at both extremes of this and in the middle.)  I had my roommate watch and see that there was no smoke out the tailpipe.

The guy tried tow starting it for a long time before he brought it to me.
 
Dave Cook


--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Tad <tadc at europa.com> wrote:

> From: Tad <tadc at europa.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] TDI New Beetle No start
> To: "Dave Cook" <davevw at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Audi-VW-Diesels Group" <Audi-VW-Diesels at yahoogroups.com>, "VW Diesel Group" <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:05 PM
> Not sure but I can't think of a reason
> why it wouldn't work... but if you put the cam lock and
> pump pin back in, you know the cam and pump are right with
> each other, and I hope that the cam/crank are still right or
> else you'd be bending valves by now, right?
> 
> 
> If I'm not mistaken you're a lot more likely to get
> fire being too advanced rather than too retarded, so I'd
> say start turning the pump a hair at a time toward the
> advanced side (and make sure you're going the right way
> - it's easy to get confused and it's been long
> enough that I'm not going to try to explain it :) ) and
> see if you can't get it to fire before you run out of
> adjustment.
> 
> 
> Then again there's always the tow-start option.  :)
> 
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:29 AM,
> Dave Cook <davevw at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> I put the tools on the engine to
> ensure it was all lined up.
> 
> 
> 
> However, I can't guarantee he didn't get something
> off while he was putting all the stuff in place.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there any tricks to determine whether the pump is
> advanced or retarded?
> 
> 
> 
> If I determined it was, say, somehow 180 out, could I
> remove the three bolts and just rotate the pump into the
> right place and reinstall the bolts?
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Cook
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Tad <tadc at europa.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > From: Tad <tadc at europa.com>
> 
> > Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] TDI New Beetle No start
> 
> > To: LBaird119 at aol.com
> 
> > Cc: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> 
> > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 5:31 PM
> 
> > I'm pretty sure
> it's not possible to
> 
> > get a useful reading from Vagcom until
> 
> > the engine is running.
> 
> >
> 
> > If you're getting fuel at the injectors and no
> signs of
> 
> > combustion, the pump
> 
> > timing has got to be off.
> 
> >
> 
> > You said the belt was "recently" replaced
> but didn't say if
> 
> > the car actually
> 
> > ran afterward.  Did it?  Are you sure the guy
> 
> > didn't money with anything
> 
> > that would alter the cam/crank/pump timing
> relationship?
> 
> >
> 
> > What method did you use to ensure everything stayed
> in
> 
> > time?  Cam/pump
> 
> > locking tools, chalk marks, other?
> 
> >
> 
> > Have you tried advancing the pump?    It
> doesn't
> 
> > take much movement to get
> 
> > from no-start to too-advanced.  If the pump cog is
> off
> 
> > by even one tooth it
> 
> > could put you into no-start territory.
> 
> >
> 
> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:07 PM, <LBaird119 at aol.com>
> 
> > wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > > In a message dated 11/7/2009 3:15:55 PM Pacific
> 
> > Standard Time,
> 
> > > eriklane at gmail.com
> 
> > writes:
> 
> > >
> 
> > > > While definitely good advice to double check
> the
> 
> > timing, in my
> 
> > > > experience if it's not starting and
> there's no
> 
> > puffs of smoke out the
> 
> > > > tailpipe then you're not getting enough
> fuel..
> 
> > Though my experience is
> 
> > > > weighted more on the side of the early
> 80's
> 
> > diesels as far as VW
> 
> > >
> 
> > >   The TDI is definitely different from
> 
> > the indirect injected, non-
> 
> > > computerized engines.
> 
> > >  If I recall Jon Hoehl had the same problem on
> a
> 
> > TDI he was working
> 
> > > on.  Took a bit to get the timing right and he
> 
> > had to change the
> 
> > > "view" on the Vag com or something.
> 
> > >   Loren
> 
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