[Vwdiesel] EPA things

Sun Feb 5 20:53:28 PST 2012

I'm going to keep a leash on my typing here or i'll be at it all night.

Travis, i'm with you most of the way on your rant. You make several good
points regarding the ignorance (many times willful) and waste that the
greenies facilitate. What nobody mentions though, and maybe for good reason
because this isnt a political forum, is that the EPA is regularly operating
outside of its delegated authority and jurisdiction.

As I will repeat in the other post that peaked my interest, it's just about
game over for this country and has been for a long time. The real problem
is in the mirror, and that goes for my parents and grandparents generation
too. If we don't get active at the county and state level to restore proper
statehood in our Republic, were about to be shackled in a world socialist
"utopia"..

Most people haven't read our federal and their respective state
Constitutions, and if they have, most don't dig enough to comprehend its
original intent because it would take time away from whatever distraction
they enjoy.

On this particular issue, I would suggest you read article 1 section 8 of
our federal Constitution and when you get to clause 17, read it and re-read
it until it really sinks in. A websters 1828 dictionary would be helpful
but that's a stretch, I know.

Other than that, I would caution you on your faucet fire reference. If you
are referring to Gasland, that is a very crafty green propaganda piece
against fracing that is full of mis and dis-information produced by someone
with a pre-determined agenda.

Red has gone green! don't forget it!

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Travis Gottschalk <tgott at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Funny thing is the Gov was giving grants out to replace your engines on
> your fleet if you could prove you needed/could use it at the coal mine. It
> seemed funny that you had to punch a hole in the block of the older engine
> to disable it. So basically you had to mine out the materials, ship parts
> from accross the world, have techs driving back and forth to figure out how
> to get it to work in your older machine all to save some fuel that just
> putting a couple upgrades on the old engine would have netted the same
> results (better turbos, injection system, intercooling, etc-same things we
> do to our VW's already).
>
> Then there is the particulate trap thing I don't fully understand. So if
> you don't drive faster then 45 (limited to 40 at the mine) you won't
> activate the regen process to clear this thing out. So you are dumping raw
> fuel through your engine to burn this trap out? How is that efficient? Then
> the added heat of the rest of the engine components to due all these
> emisions things (particulate trap is one heated thing that has to be close
> to the engine to get the heat best, EGR as well) so then you need to have a
> larger cooling system/fan to help prevent overheating robbing HP and MPG as
> well on the bigger machines. I always laugh when I read about the people
> that want to be fully "green" in their eyes. Do they know they would have
> to live in a cave (so no trees are harmed and make sure a bear/wolf isn't
> already living there so as to not disturb them either) and have to make
> there cloths out of hemp (unprocessed) and eat just berries and grass? Them
> just typing an email on their co
>  mputer is going agaist there "green" things. Same as the new CA law that
> a certain percentage of new cars sold must be hybrid/battery operated. So
> you are telling me that a hybrid SUV getting 20MPG is better then my diesel
> car getting in the 50's MPG? And all that electricity isn't all that
> "green" either. And yes even natural gas has polution in some of the steps
> to get it to the power plant (think-local water issues, also some can start
> their water on fire). There-done venting a little bit
>
> Travis G
> > Oh, man, I know. Diesel makes the world go round, but gas drives those
> that
> > think the world revolves around them.
> >
> > To an end user (me for instance), it would seem that great pains have
> been
> > taken to improve air quality almost solely at the sacrifice of
> efficiency...
> > to the tune of about a 12 TO 25% increase in fuel usage moving from tier
> 2
> > to tier 3 compliance in ag engines. Pretty much the same for other on and
> > off road users with a wide variability in how the increased costs get
> passed
> > on. Now that we are in tier 4 transitional compliance, different
> technology
> > is being used (urea) which should bring fuel efficiency back up... maybe
> for
> > some anyway (not JD). But no matter how you look at it, efficiency is
> > certainly not high on the want list of the rule makers. Kind of like
> > natural selection, if you don't select for it, you don't get it, and
> nobody
> > in the north american engine market has been big on efficiency because it
> > all hangs on nitrogen emissions. Some players have a lot of European
> > exposure, which influences their engine design quite a bit it would seem.
> > (fiat group- case, NH, etc)
> >
> > Reasons vary, but mainly it was using EGR. It's like we are now replaying
> > the "smog rules" engines cars used in the 1970's in offroad engines. They
> > use EGR to keep the combustion chamber cool to not make NOX compounds,
> and
> > surprise surprise, you have to use more fuel to get the same power. I
> > distinctly remember the parents 1978 bronco that made a whopping 8mpg
> > IMPERIAL right out of the box. You could quite easily confuse the
> > speedometer with the gauge for the enormous fuel tank, both moved in
> > concert, but different directions.
> >
> > At least those that are now using urea cat in tier 4 engines are able to
> > bump timing and durations with high boost to get really hot combustion,
> hot
> > combustion chambers make more efficient power, it makes the particle trap
> > work better too, then fix the nox with a urea cat. Overall efficiency is
> > much much higher. Guys that I know that have bought the 350K new tractor
> > are quite happy with them- they HAD to get rid of the fuel guzzler tier 3
> > junk that it replaced. A big acre farmer can make a tractor payment on
> the
> > difference in fuel use between tier 3 and 4 transitional engines.
> >
> > I wonder Travis, since the EPA has been used as a trade manipulator for
> so
> > long with air quality being the saw, if they would know what is good for
> the
> > environment even if it jumped up and bit them in the ass. Personally, I
> kind
> > of doubt it, it's still more enviropolitics than good intelligent use of
> > resources in some kind of sustainable manner.
> > -james
>
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