Re: Quattro Digest V2 #618

[Mike Myers <myersm@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu>]

I'm so jealous, all the Quattros around here (if you can find one) all 
sell for a premium (I'm in Fargo, ND, wrong end of the state to enjoy the 
autobahn state, I mean Montana).  

Quick question for everyone:
	In '86 or '87, the normally asperated 5cyl gained power, is there 
any difference in the engines on the TQ's ('86 or '87) or with the rest 
of the car itself or are they both the same?

Thanks
	-Mike
	'91 Eagle Talon TSI AWD   
	'86 5KCS-automatic        

> 
> Good show, Bob.  Even tho my 87 5KCSTQ is a manual, with all the obligagatory
> sacrifices to the Audi gods that the previous owner declined to offer I
> picked up my beauty for $2100.00 (including brand new fuel pump to intall and
> Bentleys).  No one would touch it.  With under 500.00 in parts and a month's
> worth of effort I had a beautiful luxury sport sedan that Road and Track
> called 'The finest handling in the world' etc, etc. I really need to research
> those articles again.  That's what originally piqued my interest in Audis...
> 
> Dave Head
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Jon Sala <jsala@skynet.uah.ualberta.ca>
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:47:38 -0700
> Subject: Re: 1990 Coupe Quattro, more power, squeeky tail
> 
> There is a fellow in my town who is rumoured to have spent 10K on the 
> suspension of his 91 Coupe: 17" wheels, rotors, brakes, lowered & 
> stiffened, and some reaaally wide rubber. I spoke to a mechanic about it 
> while it was in the dealer's for the Audi Clinic day. I was appalled to 
> learn that he had done nothing to the engine - that same money spent 
> there would have been a much better return on investment in my opinion. 
> The problem with this car is that it's power output doesn't match it's 
> character - needs about 300hp to be a balanced combo I figure.
> 
> However, having said that I am cautious about actually increasing output
> of my Coupe. In my dark past I have cranked up the power of several 
> vehicles; that part is easy. I'm not sure how much torque the 
> multitudinous Quattro drivetrain components can take before they become 
> expensive and frequent repair items.
> 
> Anyone out there have any info on how much abuse this car's drivetrain 
> can stand? 
> 
> Regarding your squeaky tail - I have a bottle of silicone fluid that I 
> regularily swab onto the rubber posts as well as the whole rubber gasket.
> Works for a while, but does require attention often.
> 
> Regarding Coupe Audio - Can you describe your system? I have heard from a 
> mechanic that accessing the speakers under the B pillars is a hassle, is 
> this true?
> 
> - --
> Jon
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Dan Simoes <dans@ans.net>
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:47:16 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Please reply ONLY if...
> 
> Your only access to the internet is via email.
> In other words, you would be shattered if suddenly I stopped
> making the archives available via majordomo, and the only way
> to get these was through www.
> 
> Note - I don't need to hear from you if you've never seen the quattro
> web pages because you can't figure out how to use your browser, I'm
> looking for something like "look mate, I'm out in the Aussie Outback 
> and my only link to the world is via a 1200 baud dialup, and I 
> really need my quattro fix".
> 
> Please do NOT reply to the list (note Reply-to line above) but
> only to me.  It's becoming difficult to maintain 2 sets of documents
> so I'd like to become totally web-centric for the forseeable future.
> The distribution of files via majordomo was great for its time, but
> it's time to move on I think.  However, I don't want to do it if
> it will impact a lot of people.
> 
> Let me know if you are affected by this.
> 
> Your listmeister, now equipped with a fully functional 84 4000sq
> that really hums at 100mph...er, nevermind.
> 
> | Dan |
> - -- 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: PDQSHIP@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:55:18 -0500
> Subject: Instrument Lights diagnostic
> 
> In a message dated 95-12-05 23:04:16 EST, you write:
> 
> >lso in the archives someone (Sorry can't remember) says that the clock
> >lights (!!!) had to do something
> >with the instrument panel lights going off intermittently ....
> >
> >
> 
> That was me.....  Do the following:  First ck to make sure the Licence plate
> lights work if not replace them.....  Second, open the trunk and on the left
> side you will see some wires going into the hinge tube of the trunk, ck those
> for any broken or frayed wires (tends to fix back up lites too), then ck one
> again.....  Third, ck the lights in the instrument panel....  They are small,
> but a continuity ck across the bulb will find the culprit.....  Fourth, if
> you still don't have lumination, take the bulbs out of the clock assembly one
> at a time, and then ck your dash lites again.....
> 
> Scott
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: rdh@sli.com (Robert D. Houk)
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:41:59 EST
> Subject: headlights, voltage
> 
>    As my electronics knowledge is iffy, at best, could you describe exactly 
>    where/how you are measuring?  Are you measuring across the bulb's terminals
>    with the bulb in and on, or across the power-gnd lines with the bulb out?  
>    Did you run two relays, one for each headlight?
>    (See, just enough knowledge to be dangerous...)  
> 
> measure across the two terminals connected to the back of the bulb when
> "on" (warning, it can get hot ... *ouch!!*). also measure either terminal
> to car chassis/body/battery ground.
> 
> This will tell you how much voltage is developed across the bulb, and how
> much is lost to the ground wire. On mine, the last time I measured, it was
> 11.8 or 11.9 across the bulb, .5 from bulb to ground, so I'm still losing
> about a volt to wiring/fuses/switch/etc. (i.e., 13.5v running, 12.5 to
> bulb, 12 across bulb and .5 to ground wire from bulb to ground). This is
> not as good as I would like it, but it a ***VAST*** improvement over stock
> Audi wiring. My mods are '83 UrQ, and are to the wiring harness itself,
> no relays (yet).
> 
> I'd run separate relays for each headlight (although the normal low beams
> can be driven off one relay, they only draw about 4.8 (? been too long)
> amps each. With good relays and heavy-gauge wiring, you should be able to
> get 13v across the filaments, nice and bright/white light!
> 
> 					-RDH
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: PDQSHIP@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:07:17 -0500
> Subject: Stud Fees
> 
> In a message dated 95-12-06 01:24:04 EST, you write:
> 
> >
> >what's studdable and yet have pirelli 210 characteristics of stiff
> >sidewalls, low noise and just overall excellence? 
> >
> >eliot
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Low noise and studs to me are an oxymoron, eliot.....  I used to have a list
> of what was studable, but since we can't used thems here, I don't have it
> handy.....  I would look at a VR/210 type tread design that has stud
> capabilities......  If you can't find any, I would look at the Goodyear line,
> they, as a general rule make very stiff sidewall tires.......
> 
> Scott
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: steveb@newkla.kla.com (Steven Buchholz)
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:12:10 PST
> Subject: Denied at the microfiche ...
> 
> Well I sat down with the microfiche reader in an attempt to obtain the
> part numbers for the segmented exhaust manifold and the water-cooled
> turbo for the qtc and was completely denied.  I have several versions
> of the qtc fiche, as well as copies for the '88 5kCSQ and 200Q.  Most 
> all of the sources showed the parts, but the references were not in
> the associated part number list.  Does anybody have any part numbers
> for these?
> 
> As Scott noted there are six parts involved with the multi-piece 
> exhaust manifold: the two cast metal segments, the accordian hose that
> connects them and two clamps.  The last piece appears to be a tube that 
> separates a portion of the exhaust from the rest.  I also looked long-
> ingly at the diagrams that showed the 20V exhaust systems (including 
> the S4-like dual system) ... still no part numbers.
> 
> I had heard that the WC turbo was available in the '84 ('85) 5kT, but
> I have yet to substantiate this.  It appears that the injector cooling
> blower bracket was modified to accomodate the auxiliary water pump.  
> I compared the '88 system to the '83 and the two biggest differences 
> that I see are the fact that the aux pump is mounted to the ABS and 
> the metal coolant line that runs along the left side of the engine and 
> feeds the heater core has a tap point and takes a slightly different 
> course.  I'm not sure if I could retrofit the new cars line to the old
> car, but I don't think it matters ... I should be able to add some kind 
> of a T between the line and the heater valve.  It also appears that I can
> use the connection from the head to the upper radiator hose from the 
> newer car for the water connection to the turbo and the return line 
> should fit as well.  I guess the last issue would be if I can use the 
> same oil lines and the dual oil filter flange that the qtc has ...
> 
> Steve Buchholz
> s_buchho@kla.com
> San Jose, CA (USA)
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: T_BROWN@NISE-P.NOSC.MIL (THOMAS C. BROWN)
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:00:27 -0500
> Subject: Re:  4000 and Coupe models
> 
>      I ordered my US spec Coupe in Europe in July 85.  I was told that it 
>      would be delivered as an 86 Model after the factory returned from 
>      mandatory vacation in August.  The dealer implied that anything 
>      manufactured for the North American market from September on would be 
>      sold as next years model whether there were any changes or not.  As 
>      far as I was aware the only changes were the type of upholstery 
>      material (85 scratchy, 86 smooth) and the high brake light.  Otherwise 
>      the 85 and 86 Coupe models were identical.  In fact, the dealer had 
>      1985 on the bill of sale even though the owners manual indicated 86.  
>      I made him change it so the DMV would issue the proper title when I 
>      got the car back to the U.S.  He thought that the American tradition 
>      of calling a vehicle manufactured in one year something else was 
>      ridiculous.  I guess most country's models just go by calander year of 
>      manufacture.  If it was built in 85...it's an 85.  Realistically the 
>      only difference was the cover of the owners manual.
>      
>      Tom Brown
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: cebo@channel1.com (Cebo)
> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 12:05:00 -0640
> Subject: Re: STP/Slick 50! WARNING
> 
>    
>    
>    I have a really good definitive article I can post. But, it 
>    does take up some bandwidth (it's a four part post). When
>    I posted to rec.auto.tech, the "duralube, slick et al."
>    threads died, and I got several positive email responses 
>    from various oil company engineers. I'll post a reply or
>    two I received also IF I don't get messages not to 
>    post. If there are no email objections by tonight I 
>    will post it, since it's really not an exclusive 
>    Audi subject, and seeing how Audi owners tend to be
>    more ahhh..informed..(gotta be careful here) most
>    probably would never even consider putting snake
>    oil in their beloved <cough> <cough> 4X4.  ;)
> 
>    BCNU
> 
> ... Ignorance is temporary; stupid is forever.
> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Michael LaRosa <76761.1444@compuserve.com>
> Date: 06 Dec 95 12:25:01 EST
> Subject: Re: Speed Limiter for V8
> 
> >
> >As for the Speed limiter, I think that was only introduced with the S4 
> >and V8, and it's easy to disable. 
> >
> 
> I beleive the scumbag... I mean dealer said the top speed was supposed
> to be 125 ?  I don't think so, don't ask, but I know my 90 V8 will
> do 130... easily.
> 
> 
> >
> >Eric Fletcher
> >'87 5KCSTQIA2RSR2B
> >
> >STEADI RIC@aol.com
> 
> 
> Mike L.
> 89 100 Avant (top speed 118mph)
> 90 V8 (top speed 130+.....)
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: cngnyec@pipeline.com (Richard Davis)
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:29:12 -0500
> Subject: Quattro plates
> 
> I was always partial to 4X4X5 or EURO4X. 
> Mike
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Mark Plotz <mplotz@gac.edu>
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:36:24 -0600
> Subject: unsubscribe quattro
> 
> Unsubscribe quattro
> Mark Plotz
> mplotz@GAC.edu
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: "Tom Forhan" <TFORHAN@hr.house.gov>
> Date: 06 Dec 1995 12:35:12 EST
> Subject: DC Holiday Event
> 
>      DC Area listmembers -actually, any and all listmembers, assorted
>      hangers on, significant others, and offspring- are invited to my place
>      on December 17, Sunday afternoon 2-5 for some informal seasonal cheer.
> 
>      We are in Takoma Park, MD. E-mail me direct (and persist through our
>      system's bounces) and I will give you the address and directions. Home
>      phone is (301) 270-8073.
> 
>      Tom F.
>      tforhan@hr.house.gov
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: "Bryan A. Davidson" <bd24808@aol.com>
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:44:44 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: engine noise
> 
> 	I have a 1986 Audi 5000 CS turbo which is making a lot of racket 
> underneath the hood, sort of a clicking sound.  It only does this when 
> cold.  I was told that the lifters needed relacement.  Could this be the 
> cause of the noise?  Any advice will be appreciated.
> 					
> 						Bryan  
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
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