Frank J. Bauer dassault systemes of America email:fjbauer@dsavm.e-mail.com Subject: heel & toe eliot sez: hey, my slushbox can think and shift faster than any of you... ok, eliot, i'll admit i've never driven a V8Q. that said, i've never known a slushbox that can see a corner before you accelerate out, nor one that gives decent engine braking with the throttle closed. gnn... frank