Re: A/C Upgrade?

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In a message dated 96-06-19 18:43:59 EDT, you write:

<< 
 I wonder if that has anything to do with DuPont, the makers of R12, losing
 their patent on this pesky molecule at the end of this year. Ummmm . . .
 
 And if I'm not too far off spinning into the infield grass, that DuPont
 again holds the rights to make R134a. Ummmmm . . .
 
 Could it be a coinkidink?
 
 
 
 I wonder what the DuPont police will do to me when they catch me.
 
 Gawd, I love conspiracies. Now if I could only make some dough with it >>

BINGO, esw gets the penquin award.....  Some further tidbits from my
connections at Pentastar (and graydon prolly has some too)....  134a needs
much more air flow to get as cold as R12 (hence your big air scoops on new
cars), and still fails miserably in most.....  HOWEVER, Steve B take note,
some enterprising R134a sheriff decided to turn up the pressure in the 134a
system, and found that 134a is almost as cold as R12.....  The more than
obvious shortcomings of that thinking is that the components
(compressor-nogggins specifically) weren't originally designed for this
operating pressure....  Could be the failure mode Steve describes, and I have
heard of as well...

To be environmentally responsible is fine, but the "recovery" and "license"
of R12 handling should have been the mandate long before the planned phaseout
of of R12...  Don't forget the tidbit too that there is somewhere in the hood
of 750MM tons of R12 stockpiled (and already taxed, nice revenue scam by Prez
Clinton et. al.), so the shortage of R12 isn't what is driving the price,
it's the $15/lb TAX on the stuff that makes your refill so expensive....  And
some exclusive club gouging.....  Make no mistake, the R134a was a green
marketing scam by Dupont, it was wholly successful in its mission, and we
live with the propensity to try and be responsible....  

To do that, all you really need is a extra "bomb" from your gas grill and a
licensed a/c facility, get the stuff pulled do your work on the R12 system
and put it back...  To switch to R134a is a pain and very costly....  And
some of the same prollums plague those systems (and worse) as the R12.....
 From supply side economics, R12 is hardly going to get scarce b4 your q goes
to the crusher.....  Seems some of the R12 dump pirates are "stinging" the
old refrigerators and ac units, making Big money putting that back into the
R12 supply, and slowing the R12 planned expiration date....  Cool

Luke Skywalker and R12D2