Gents, may I butt in for a moment? > > You probably meant a 9000. But a Saab 9000 is an Alfa 164! Nope- Saab 9000 equals Lancia Thema equals Fiat Croma. This is only for the passenger compartment though. Alfa 164 is equal to no other car (junkyard examples excepted-I'm no Alfa fan) Tom.