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quattro-digest Saturday, 25 January 1997 Volume 04 : Number 159
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Re: 5000 headliner
BTCC Audi A4 Remote Control Toy Car
Re: two things
Re: Light research (silliness)
Re: Audi '86 "Commemorative Design" Series (long)
RE: 4kcsq/VWqs Engine grid
He smart, eh? (was Re: A4 2.8 light dimmer?)
RE:4Q bumper lights
whale-tail wagging, (was Volvo AWD)
87 Coupe CV joints
Re: 86 4000 CSQ "Centennial Series"
Re: Corroded Words??
whale-tail wagging, (was Volvo AWD)
RE:4Q bumper lights
Fuba antenna mast for 87 4kq
RE: 4Q bumper lights
Looking for north NJ Audi mechanic
Re: cupholder
Re: Just the facts - HID
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From: "Meron" <phwomp@cosmoslink.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:50:06 -0800
Subject: Re: 5000 headliner
>Has anyone successfully replaced a headliner in a 5000?
I had it done locally, Anaheim, PITA to do it yourself, I don't recommend
it, cost is between $200 to 350, I had it done for less than $200.
Avi Meron
86 5Kcstq
I am not always the devil advocate, but not one to miss an opportunity....
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From: "George S Achorn III" <coolidge@nicom.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:14:17 -0500
Subject: BTCC Audi A4 Remote Control Toy Car
I was reading in Performance Car that Tamiya (maker of remote control
cars, they make a GTI VR6 already) is coming out with an all wheel drive
remote control car based on the BTCC Audi A4 Racing car. It features all
necessary decals and Ronal style rims (not the 5 spokers...damn) and more
specifically quattro mimicing all wheel drive. I haven't had one since I
was 15, but I may have to invest in a remote control car now.
Later-G
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From: "Meron" <phwomp@cosmoslink.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 19:16:26 -0800
Subject: Re: two things
>I have a problem on my '90 200T (auto) that's been gradually getting
worse.
>Whenever I brake the idle drops down and it feels like it's going
Idle stabilizer circuit problems.
Avi Meron
86 5Kcstq
I am not always the devil advocate, but never one to miss an
opportunity.....
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From: Heather & Jeff <hjr@buffnet.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:39:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Light research (silliness)
> >It is the alternator that is producing the electric power when the
> >engine is running. That's why you want to run the lights off the
> >alternator - to get the highest voltage possible. The battery only
> >delivers current during starting; the rest of the time it is being
> >recharged. As far as the lights are concerned, it is a giant capacitor.
> >
> >Luis Marques
>
> I'm no electrical engineer, but doesn't routing via the battery
> "filter" out any AC ripple that may be coming from the alternator and
> shortening bulb life? Just a question...and a thought.
>
> Happy motoring,
>
> Shef
>
No, routing via battery does not filter the AC component appreciably.
Yes, the battery does have some "capacitive" effect on reducing ripple,
but what I best can tell the argument Luis is trying to make really
concerns reducing the effect of voltage drops in the system, and
attaching directly to the alternator gives you the highest voltage in
the system. Also, the ripple in a typical charging system has no effect
on bulb life. However, voltage does_have_a_very_big_effect on bulb
life. Raising your voltage a few tenths of a volt has a marked effect
on lowering life. Some large truck fleets specify a alternator with
slightly lower voltage set voltage when buying their trucks. (typically
13.8 volts versus 14.0) They save thousands of dollars in light
replacement costs this way.
Bottom line:
Connect to the Battery= slightly lower brightness=longer life
Connect to the alternator= slightly higher brightness=shorter life
Jeff Waterstreet
Director Sales and Marketing
Leece-Neville div of Prestolite Electric (we makes alternators & stuffs
like dat)
'88 80q (obligitory Audi reference)
Anyway, the battery does act somewhat like a capacitor and reduces the
ac ripple component, but who the hell cares?
------------------------------
From: Jim & Bev <jazman@accunet.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:53:05 -0800
Subject: Re: Audi '86 "Commemorative Design" Series (long)
Doyt W. Echelberger wrote:
>
> Jazman.....All us 86 4KcsQ'ers want to see/own/ that brochure. Short of
> that, please tell us in detail all about it. Describe every part of every
> page.
Okay. But I'm going to do this in installments so I wont go blind. On April 30, 1986
I received an art print of the 1986 Commemorative Design 5000CS Sedan. I guess I was on
their mailing list, since we bought a new 1985 5000S the year before. I've got the print
framed and it hung for many years in my office, now its at home. If I had test driven a
new Audi, I would have received 3 additional art prints of the other cars in the
Commemorative series. Here's the schedule of the installments that make up the
brochure describing the 1986 Commemorative Design:
Day 1 "A Celebration in Engineering and Innovation"
Day 2 The Commemorative Design 5000CS Sedan
Day 3 The Commemorative Design 4000CS Sedan
Day 4 The Commemorative Design 4000CS Quattro
Day 5 The Commemorative Design Coupe GT
"A Celebration in Engineering and Innovation"
1986 marks the 100th anniversary of the German automobile. From this country came many
of the engineering advances which contributed to the automobile's rapid evolution and
acceptance. Many of thes advances, in fact, came directly from Audi and its forebearer,
the Horch automobile.
At the turn of the century, a young German nechanical engineer, August Horch, began
building automobiles renowned for both their innovative design and exemplary
performance.
The company grew and in 1909, when Horch and his fellow board members reached an impasse
over Horch's insistence that motorsport was an essential element in improving the
quality of automobiles, Horch left to establish a rival automotive firm.
Unable to retain his own name for his new company, Horch chose the Latin equivalent:
"audi". (In German, "horch" means "to listen", as does "audi" in Latin.)
Because of its growing reputation for innovation in both engine and chassis design, Audi
was entrusted in 1931 with the development of the world's very first mass-produced,
front-wheel-drive automobile, the DKW Front. This assignment allowed Audi to have a
several decade lead over many rival firms in this eventually very important design area.
The next year, Audi produced a mid-size front-wheel-drive car bearing its own name.
1932 was also the year in which Audi joined DKW, Horch, and Wanderer to form Auto Union
to better weather the worldwide storm of the Great Depression.
The "automotive union" was symbolized by the four intertwined rings which to this very
day still grace the grillework of every Audi. To further dramatize the alliance of
these four popular marques into a single corporate entity, Auto Union commissioned an
independent and brilliant automotive engineer to create a revolutionary new Grand Prix
racer.
His name was Ferdinand Porsche. His creation was the astounding, aerodynamic,
16-cylinder, mid-engine, Auto Union Rennwagen...a racer far ahead of its time in both
concept and execution.
For four seasons, the sleek silver bullet bested Alfa Romeo, Bugatti, Mercedes, and
others in dozens of Grand Prix events and other road races, until a change in design
regulations forced it into early retirement.
In the 1950's, Auto Union was destined to play an important role in the rebirth of
German industry. Although the Horch and Wanderer marques were retired, thousands upn
thousands of small Auto Union, DKW, and Audi coupes and sedans began appearing on the
strasses of Germany, with hundreds eventually reaching the streets of America as well.
By 1969, all Auto Union automobiles bore the Audi name. That same year, two noteworthy
events occured in German automotive history: Audi established a marketing network in
the United States and also acquired the German car and motorcycle company, NSU.
Two years earlier, NSU had capped a long and successful career as both a two-wheel and
four-wheel vehicle builder with the introduction of a technically advanced, luxury sedan
called the Ro80. Its superior aerodynamics and innovative engineering earned this
front-wheel-drive pacesetter Europe's "Car of the Year" award and Audi's future product
developments would parallel the course created by the Ro80's creators.
That course would be maintained and advanced most ingeniously by the grandson of Dr.
Porsche, Ferdinand Piech, who in 1972 at the age of 35, became Audi's head of
engineering.
Under his leadership, Audi launched one engineering advance after another throughout the
1970's and to the very present. To begin with, 1972 also marked the introduction of the
world's first application of both dual diagonal braking and negative steering roll
radius in a production automobile (the Audi 80, Europe's "Car of the Year" in '72).
Four years later came the world's first five-cylinder gasoline engine, a lightweight and
compact motor that offered the smoothness and power, as well as surprising efficiency.
In 1980, Audi launched both the world's first turbo-charged five-cylinder gasoline
engine and the very first permanent all-wheel-drive automobile, the Audi quattro.
The very next year, Audi entered a team of modified production quattros in the highly
demanding competition of international rallying. In the next five years, Audi clinched
several major titles around the world and in the U.S., becoming the first German auto
manufacturer ever to win a world rally championship.
1983 saw the introduction of what was then the world's most aerodynamic production
sedan, the "new" Audi 100 (5000 in America). With its debut, Audi set a new course in
advanced body design that complemented its drivetrain, chassis, and ergonomic expertise.
Most recently, Audi has added intercooling to its turbocharged engines, expanded the
availability of all-wheel-drive to most of its models, introduced a sophisticated
Antilock Braking System (ABS) and began producing the world's first sedan and wagon with
fully galvanized bodies for corrosion protection.
For 1986, several or all of these features are available in each automobile bearing the
heritage of the four rings and the proud Audi name, thus adding to the inherent value of
owning and driving an automobile that embodies "The Art of Engineering."
What next for Audi? The Commemorative Design Series which follows offers several clues
and a unique opportunity to count yourself among the select few invited to drive--and
own--the future, instead of merely previewing it.
####
Tomorrow, The Commemorative Design 5000 CS Sedan
Happy Motoring,
jazman
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From: "PAT MARTIN" <MARDKINS@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 97 03:47:04 UT
Subject: RE: 4kcsq/VWqs Engine grid
What is wrong with your engine that it needs a rebuild?
The turbo I5 10 valve is a good conversion and gives you plenty of potential.
The 20v turbo will also fit with some modification also with mucho hp.
potential.
Pat Martin
864000csq 2 1/2 cat back, H&R-Boge,advanced and loving it. Drilled and
stopping it. Koenig Cobra 16x7 with AVS Intermediates, cheap Kelly
Springfield snows now, K&N.
95 subaru legacy
Bothell, Wa.
>(1) Should I consider swapping out the original engine for something
>else? Does anyone have an engine grid which would tell me which
>engines may fit this setup?
>(2) If I should just stick with original, what would be the ULTIMATE
>upgrade available to these 5 cylinder's. I.E. is this an engine I
>could expect increases of performance in? Stock 115hp...how can I
>boost this?
>Basically I'm looking at putting $$$$$ into this thing, so throw any
>suggestions out there (And if I see any 5.0L references.......L__]_O
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From: "Psychotic Don't-you-dare-tickle-me Elmo" <honge@creighton.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:30:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: He smart, eh? (was Re: A4 2.8 light dimmer?)
>> but cannot figure out where the internal light dimmer is. Obviously he
>> also cannot figure out where the instruction manual is, but at least
>> he was smart enough to get an Audi. :)
>If he couldn't even figure this out, I can't imagine how he could
>understand the other myriads of features in the car!
"Who knew nuclear reactor can be so complicated?" -- Homer Simpson
P.S. Homer was able to locate the operating manual... (^;
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From: Bernie Strub <bstrub@silverlink.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:58:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RE:4Q bumper lights
Mike Veglia sed:
>Years ago when I owned my first 4kcsq (87) when it was new there were fog
>(driving ?) lights available from the dealer parts dept. (on sale cheap
>too-shoulda woulda coulda...) that fit where these reflectors are located.
>This was a kit complete with factory switch and wiring. Perhaps Linda could
>shed some light (pun intended) on this? HTH...
Ummm, I bought one of these kits. They fit into (trimmed) holes in the
lower air intake grill...not designed for the bumper.
BTW, what would stop one from putting the turn indicators into the parking
light receptacles, by using a double filament socket vice the single
filament one there, and some creative wiring?
>>>>>Bernie
87 4kcsq alpine white/light grey cloth
QCUSA #1765
Member #47 NW Region AQC
------------------------------
From: dailojeff@juno.com (Jeff Loh)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:37:51 PST
Subject: whale-tail wagging, (was Volvo AWD)
Phil writes:
"A (non-Audi) question - chasing the Porsche I noticed his rear grill
would
swing up and down - sometimes at picnic table level, sometimes flush with
the
body and never stationary in between. What is this - is it a feature?"
What you saw was the 911's active aero tail. It goes up at approx 80kmh
and back down at approx 50kmh. Apparently to increase downforce at high
speeds and offer better cooling to the engine. I believe the new Boxter
also has a similar feature.
/J.
------------------------------
From: kwfluhr@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 13:57:40 PST
Subject: 87 Coupe CV joints
I have a problem with my car! Audi decided that they were going
to make three CV joints for the 87 Coupes. I have been to told that
Audi start the production year with the normally Coupe CV joints
and than transfered to a bigger one for about 7 week, 7 week where
there were 13,000 cars made. Than Audi decides to change the CV
joint one more time and put the 80, 90 CV's. Well my car seem to
be in that 7 week time frame so I am hosed because I am going to
have to buy the Lobro joint form the dealer at a price of $450.00.
I am not willing to pay the God's just yet. Can anyone help me.
Can anyone stop the pain.
All so has anyone heard of this befor or am I the only one in the
U.S. with this problem. I was thinking of a way to get around the
problem and, I would like to know if I could put a rebuild axle
(inner, outer CV's and drive shaft) from a 80, 90 on my car? Would
that work or am I smoking something funny?
--Ken Fluhr--
87 Audi Coupe GT
------------------------------
From: "Doyt W. Echelberger" <Doyt@poboxes.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:40:46 -0500
Subject: Re: 86 4000 CSQ "Centennial Series"
I think I just heard a rousing synchronous CLAP for "jazman," as The Audi
Gods recognized his achievement of unraveling and documenting the mystery of
what "cs" means. Ten years shrouded in secrecy, known only to a chosen few.
IMO, this was a fine use of BW. Thank you, jazman. You wrote the book on it.
Doyt
86 4kCSq
------------------------------
From: "Meron" <phwomp@cosmoslink.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:47:51 -0800
Subject: Re: Corroded Words??
>and your memory's like a train...
>you can see it getting smaller as it pulls away
This is a rerun Huw, what about a new one....
Avi Meron
86 5Kcstq
I am not always the devil advocate, but never one to miss an opportunity...
------------------------------
From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 09:16:28 GMT
Subject: whale-tail wagging, (was Volvo AWD)
In message <19970124.224607.7807.2.dailojeff@juno.com> dailojeff@juno.com (Jeff Loh) writes:
> Phil writes:
> "A (non-Audi) question - chasing the Porsche I noticed his rear grill
> would swing up and down - sometimes at picnic table level, sometimes flush
> with the body and never stationary in between. What is this - is it a
> feature?"
> What you saw was the 911's active aero tail. It goes up at approx 80kmh
> and back down at approx 50kmh. Apparently to increase downforce at high
> speeds and offer better cooling to the engine. I believe the new Boxter
> also has a similar feature.
It looked dumb, in the traffic on the Kettering Northern Bypass during the
morning rush hour. They should fit a switch to disable it.
Someone else said it was non-turbo cars only - I wondered why he was so easy to
stay with. Apart from the flapping tail, it was a _very_ impressive car, in a
kind of dull grey with no excrescences and just the "targa" logo. The 911
looks good from behind.
- --
Phil Payne
phil@sievers.com
Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club
------------------------------
From: audidudi@delphi.com (Jeffrey J. Goggin)
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 04:34:30 -0700
Subject: RE:4Q bumper lights
>BTW, what would stop one from putting the turn indicators into the parking
>light receptacles, by using a double filament socket vice the single
>filament one there, and some creative wiring?
Only the difficulty of trying to find a double-filament socket that fits the
OEM socket mounting hole in the light ... tried this with my 5k, struck out
and decided to add a second bulb instead. Much easier...
_________________________________________________________________________
_ _
/ | _| o | \ _| o Jeffrey Goggin
/__| | | / | | __ | | | | / | | audidudi@delphi.com
/ | |_| \_| | |_/ |_| \_| | http://people.delphi.com/audidudi
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: Mark Hilbush <markh@clark.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 08:41:05 -0500
Subject: Fuba antenna mast for 87 4kq
Need to replace the powered antenna mast on my 87 4kq (don't ask). It's =
the Fuba one, P/N 857 051 560. Dealer wants a whopping $65 . I checked =
out http://www.antennaworld.com and, with the help of someone from =
Antenna World who responded very quickly to my emails, found a =
replacement. It's P/N 26342 at $30. I'm getting ready to order it, but =
thought I'd check to see if anyone has had any experience with these =
guys.
TIA.
- --=20
Mark Hilbush
Baltimore, MD
87 4kq
------------------------------
From: Mark Hilbush <markh@clark.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 08:31:23 -0500
Subject: RE: 4Q bumper lights
> From: MSV96@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:01:14 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: RE:4Q bumper lights
>=20
> In a note dated 1/23/97 Duano asks;
> >1. Reflectors in the bumper of the '85 - '87 4Qs . . .=20
> >2. Has anyone found out what the Europeans put there instead?
> >3. If so, how can I get 'em?
>=20
> Years ago when I owned my first 4kcsq (87) when it was new there were =
fog
> (driving ?) lights available from the dealer parts dept. (on sale =
cheap
> too-shoulda woulda coulda...) that fit where these reflectors are =
located.
> This was a kit complete with factory switch and wiring. Perhaps Linda =
could
> shed some light (pun intended) on this? HTH...
They're fog lights and, IMO, they're awful. On my 87, these lights fit =
in the area directly below the plastic bumper in the area where there's =
a long piece of louvered, flexible, black plastic. In fact, the kit =
included replacement pieces for that plastic piece because the old =
single piece would no longer fit after the fogs were installed. If =
we're talking about the same lights, itsa good thing you didn't get 'em =
- -- replacements are no longer on sale, nor are they cheap. BTDT.
- --=20
Mark Hilbush
Baltimore, MD
87 4kq
------------------------------
From: Mark Hilbush <markh@clark.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 08:52:45 -0500
Subject: Looking for north NJ Audi mechanic
Can anyone in the north NJ area recommend a competent, independent Audi =
mechanic? I frequently drive between Baltimore and north Jersey =
(Paramus and/or Mahwah). I usually take I95 to I80 to Rt 17, so I'd =
want someone who's not too far from those roads. Lately I've been =
wondering what I'll do if I have car troubles en route, which, at least =
in my case, is an indication that something bad is about to happen. The =
only mechanic I saw in the mechanic list was The Dealer Alternative. =
Are these guys good and how far is West Orange from my route? Any other =
recommendations would be appreciated.
BTW, when will NJ raise the speed limit on the southern part of the NJ =
Turnpike -- it's STILL 55. Let's just say I'm looking at a whopping =
fine if I ever get stopped.
Thanks!
- --=20
Mark Hilbush
Baltimore, MD
87 4kq
------------------------------
From: Dan Simoes <dans@ans.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 09:09:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: cupholder
Sounds like the same thing avail. from Herrington for $12 or
Walmart for $3...
- --
Dan Simoes dans@ans.net
ANS http://coimbra.ans.net/dans.html
100 Clearbrook Road (914) 789-5378 (voice)
Elmsford, NY 10523 (914) 789-5310 (fax)
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From: QSHIPQ@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 09:11:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Just the facts - HID
In a message dated 97-01-24 20:58:49 EST, you write:
<< >Regarding HID: Not totally as presented in earlier posts. HID "offers"
up
>to 3 times lumen output of an equal halogen, that is to say, a 35w HID
offers
>3 times the light output of a 35w halogen
So, have you priced the KCs yet?
>>
Yes:
35 watt XSM HID is 1479 USD
50 watt XSM HID is 1675 USD
They have more than enough lights to fill orders for a while at that price.
Any of us who has owned a truck will raise the eyebrows and say, "KC"? From
what I can tell, they will be a serious player in the next year on lighting
technologies.
I spoke with one of the technical nerds there, bombarded him with questions,
got interesting information, tho will only post this reference to all of the
list, I will post a general interest post once I have completed all my
research on lighting for the archives, but per my post will discuss some of
the more interesting stuff privately:
REFERENCE
Halogen bulbs = 100 Lumens per 1 watt
XSM = 26 Lumens per 1 watt
So the maximum Lumen (no refraction or filter) for XSM vs Halogen is 3.85:1
HTH
Scott
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