In a message dated 97-05-29 01:56:07 EDT, you write: << just quickly, is the ad for a 4kq or a 4ks? >> Hi Graham, You are correct, this was a 4k non-q and I was incorrect in assuming it was a quattro...you are not the first person to correct my oversight...my apologies to the list for the confusion. Mike Veglia 85 4ksq