> > > something akin to: "How far below the rearview mirror of my '87 urq should > > > I dangle the fuzzy dice?" > > > > about 6-8" works well > > IMO that's too much. I have them hung right up close. I like a medium length pendulum as it makes a nice accelerometer... anyway, the 6-8" can make up for other, more private, inadequacies, right?! -- Huw Powell