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* In this issue:
Re: RE: Whats the sodium for?
a little help please? - na l5 missing...
Re: Can someone give me some info to refute this?
Re^n RE: Whats the sodium for?
Re: Whats the sodium for?
Re: Whats the sodium for?
Re: Can someone give me some info to refute this?
Re: Can someone give me some info to refute this?
RE:Tail lamps painting
Re: Next Mod for my 200Q?
The Audi Gods Smiled upon me today!
Re: Discussion, Please
Rigging the Parking Lights....
hella xl's where can i buy them?
Re: Ronal R8
Pearl Paint Color
Re: Ronal R8
Re: hella xl's where can i buy them?
WTB, or trade, '85-'87 4K dash...
Re: Ronal R8
Re: Can someone give me some info to refute this?
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:21:00 -0400
From: "Smith, Kirby A" <kirby.a.smith@lmco.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Whats the sodium for?
Glen's thread continues:
________________________-
I don't think the OEM valves on NA Audis are SS (Stainless Steel).
(but then I was wrong about the sodium-filled valves!)
- - -glen
>For severe-duty turbo service, are the sodium-filled valves better or are
SS valves better?
Audi used sodium-filled valves on turbocharged engines and solid ones on
N/A engines. I guess this answers the question.
_____________________
There is an aspect of apples vs. oranges here. Valve longevity is aided by
both cooling and temperature resistance. Given a metal with sufficient
ductility, hardness, whatever for valve use, then higher temperature
resistance is better. This is generally associated with high nickel content
(SS, Nimonic 80A, ...)
For better cooling, sodium can be used to transfer heat from the valve head
to the stem, where the oil splashing about can cool it. It was my
understanding that sodium-filled valves were only partly filled, so the
sodium was cycled from head to stem as the valve moved up and down (or vice
versa).
.... Kirby (Kirby A. Smith)
2 x 1988 90q
New Hampshire USA
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:15:26 -0400
From: Huw Powell <human@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: a little help please? - na l5 missing...
No, my engine hasn't disappeared! - my 82 Coupe seems to have developed
a bit of a miss. I suppose it could have been creeping up on me but
today I noticed it quite a bit. Prominent around 2300-3000 rpm with no
load, accompanied by a little backfiring in the exhaust pipe (yikes!).
I suspect the plugs, they're pretty old Bosch platinums, but yanking
individual plug wires didn't yield any obvious bad cylinders. The gaps
on the two I checked looked ok. Plugs did look old though (they are...)
Timing was +20 deg, I backed it off to +16, now it doesn't backfire but
it's a lot rougher in the low rpm (<3k) range. Duty cycle hovers around
48%, OXS output 300-600 mV (seems a tad low...), temps and idle fine.
Cap and rotor almost new, Bosch (yuk) wires seem ok.
I guess I'll throw a new set of plugs in tomorrow, I'll try the W7DTC's
I guess, though I've always liked the platinums. Hope that cures it, in
the meantime, any ideas, suggestions, or especially btdt's will be
appreciated. Suppose I'd better try to search for cracked vacuum lines
as well.
Thanks!
- --
Huw Powell
http://www.thebook.com/human-speakers/audi-main.htm
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:40:36 -0500
From: Brett Dikeman <brett@pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Can someone give me some info to refute this?
(I forward readers; though I clipped many sections of rant, this is still a
large post.)
>(I explained to him that many Audi enthusiasts, such as yours truly, are using
>the cars in ways that Audi probably never imagined -- autocross, open-track
>days, some racing, etc. -- and some of us with Torsen-equipped cars have
>noticed a few handling quirks that we eventually concluded were being caused
>by the Torsen as a result of the way it functions.)
Interesting. When you use a chain saw for a paper cutter, the result isn't
very clean. Gee. Hmm. When you autocross and race the car, something it
wasn't designed for, it has some quirks. Weird, eh? Interesting that
you're not saying "gee, my Audi, which wasn't designed for racing, did
pretty well, considering!"
>Chocholek says it WILL happen in that situation. I don't care how remote-
>it's a pinto waiting to explode. Not every Pinto exploded,
You are grossly over-exagerating the problem. If you push your car, it
screws up. Huh. Funny that. Most, if not all, daily driving, even under
emergency situations, rarely stresses a car more than racing.
>to race with it on occasion, depending upon the event. [Could the fact that
>one driver didn't use a Torsen be the reason why there is so much
>conflicting evidence about whether Audi ever raced with one or not?])
More like some drivers preferred it, some didn't. If you have the talent
to make a car perform better without the gizmos, and the gizmos add
complexity, why not take it out?
>Companies like Porsche, Land Rover, etc. rejected torsen. Guess they just
The Porsche C4(roughly retails for $120k) is equipped with Torsen. Many
Porsche owners opt for the Torsen rear diff on their cars, and it is far
from "inexpensive" or "cheap."
Frankly, Land Rover's SUV/truck division has NEVER turned a profit; it
survives entirely off LR's other divisions(and I hear it is quite the blood
sucker.) On top of this, I have NEVER seen a Land Rover car in my life.
There is probably a reason for that(isn't there a export restriction on LR
cars? Oh well.)
>What a joke. The all powerful "quattro" isn't even the real system they use.
There are several different "generations" of the Q system. It is also not
the "all powerful." It is more difficult to drive in a skid situation,
adds considerable weight to the car, not to mention the added complexity
means more things to fix.
Unless I'm mistaken, the systems used in Audi race cars were at most
modified versions of the production stuff, or were identical to systems in
production cars. Quattro is Audi's term more for the all wheel drive
concept, than for an exact assembly of parts.
>All those wins, all those supposed victories, was all just BS. I don't blame
>BMW for getting angry, Audi is using a non-production product on their race
Like half the stuff in a race car is ever "production product"...even
"stock" car racing, the body is completely different, they just have a
kevlar shell that looks sorta like the real thing(ie, escort, etc.) The
engine is ripped out of something else, and the end result is a car that,
if the shell was removed, looks and is nothing like what drives on the
roads(yet they use the term "stock car" racing. Go figure.)
>(At this point, he asked me more about how the car behaved during those
>times the Torsen was suspected of being fooled and I explained to him the
>typical "understeer/oversteer/understeer" scenario. He speculated that it's
Ever heard of a game called "telephone"? If you had to explain things like
"typical understeer/oversteer/understeer" to him, then something is not
quite right here.
>Everyday driving. That is the key word. This system was designed for
<abusive language removed>
>possibility that this dangerous thing happens goes up with performance
>driving!
Gee. When you do something dangerous, the chances of something wrong
happening go up! Wow. Maybe you should talk with those statistics folks,
they'd love to hear your enlightened and original thoughts on the subject.
Swears are used by people who are not intelligent enough to express
themselves properly. It is also improper to use such language on this
list, as Dan has stated before(feel free to ask Dan on this one, I wouldn't
want to put words in his mouth.) Please refrain from doing so again.
>to show that they SUUUUUCCCKKKKK. Only the IV with EDL is getting better.
Well, quit complaining, unsubscribe, and go buy yourself a Volvo AWD or a
Subaru.
Whatever floats yer boat. I went for a 200q rather than a Subaru because I
know the body type like the back of my hand, I have a wonderful support
group, and it is nicely "appointed", not to mention fun to drive(as many,
many cars are.)
>Segment II. I think I have destroyed torsen BS as much as I can.
No, you've just thrown around generalizations and rationalizations in a
haphazard way, not to mention made a good portion of the list hit the
"delete" key faster than you can say "0-60" and dismiss anything you say in
the future.
>Now that we have realized that Quattro and Audi race cars don't match, and
>that Audi's race cars are purpose built and have little to do with road cars
>(or nothing at all), we can move on it the last saving grace of Audi- open
umm...I never had a problem realizing that race cars aren't retail
products, and neither to most people.
>diff and FIA Gruppe racing. The Ur-Q, as I have proven, had a completely
The point of racing is to see how well the drivers can do against each
other; look at stock car racing. The cars are practically carbon copies of
each other; it's the drivers that are different. It's the drivers the fans
know by heart and cheer for.
>different racing engine, with different fuel injection, head, intake, turbo,
>etc. And the fact that they won twice to my knowledge, 82 and 84. They were
>beaten by Lancia RWD and Peugot RWD in 81, 82 and 85 respectively. I have no
>stats on anything after that. And drivers championship, which they did win
>all those years, means very little. So what- those drivers are so badass like
>Rohrl, Mikkola, Bouton, etc- they were bound to clean up. Rohrl used to race
>for Renault of Peugot I think, and he beat all of the Audi drivers at the
>time. The fact is there car was NOT all conquering of anything. RWD drive
>cars competed and won against them.
Equipment is no substitute for talent, and vise-versa. The best Ferrari in
the world won't get you anywhere if you put a 1 yr old in the driver's seat.
>The last thing I can honestly respect is Pikes Peak. They did in fact win
>those years, and did do a great thing there, even though the competion wasn't
>up to standards with ralley. But they did do it. And Porsche has five times
>more victories, actively campaigns their STOCK cars their, and has won a
Porsche and Audi(as well as most other car co's) use stuff that looks
NOTHING like what's on the street, throughout the car. I fail to see the
point.
>And all the statistics- I could be here till doomsday proving they're SLOW ASS
>cars.
Hey, my 5kcst was no barn stormer, but my 200q can give most anything a
serious run for its money. Not bad for a heavy, 7-8 year old(20yr old body
style) full size sedan.
This all traces back to uses and what YOU need and want. If you want a
serious race car, you should not buy a bloated, galvanized steel,
full-sized luxury sedan. There is a very good reason why there are many,
many car companies out there; it is because there are different cars for
different people. You should buy and drive the car that best suits your
lifestyle. While I would not buy a GM vehicle, they do build very nice
trucks. While I wouldn't buy a Lotus, they make do make very rare, exotic
cars.
I have no problems with my friend who wants either a Neon or a Saab 900,
because they "look neat". I have no problems with Paul Royal, who loves a
5 litre Mustang for its insane punch of power. I have no problems with
another friend who bought a Olds '88 Custom Cruiser estate wagon because
it's a BIG car she can fit 8 people in with room to spare. I have no
problems with my father, who owns 2 944's because he loves the body style
and great handling(though I do have a problem with the fact that 1 is
sitting in the garage in 10,000 pieces :)
If you bought the wrong car(you obviously feel so strongly against Audis)
then sell your Audi, buy the car you feel you truely want, get off the
list, and stop complaining. We are here for positive and/or constructive
discussions, not "I'm out to make the world mad and prove them wrong"
emails. It's interesting, but I have archives going back 3 months in my
mailbox(roughly 6600 messages) and there was only one message from you.
The one you just posted.
I'd have to ask you to contribute in a more meaningful, polite, and
constructive way in the future, or continue lurking.
Brett
PS: This is not an invitation for people to send me messages about stock
car racing, torsen differentials, Subarus, American trucks, reliability of
cars, Porsches, Land Rover's profitability, or other random subjects. In
fact, I'd rather not see this thread continue; it does not justify more
effort on anyone's part, including mine.
- ------
Brett Dikeman
brett@pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net
~)-|
Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt. Qui annus est?
Te audire non possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.
Ita, scio hunc 'sig file' veterem fieri.
- ------
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:31:04 -0400
From: "Smith, Kirby A" <kirby.a.smith@lmco.com>
Subject: Re^n RE: Whats the sodium for?
"Ken Keith" <Ken.Keith@SpecialDevices.com> wrote:
I do believe the sodium is either a powder or a liquid, tho'. There are
warnings about cutting into sodium valves, because it's poisonous. I
would imagine a solid material, even if it was poisonous, would be pretty
easy to handle safely compared to a liquid or powder.
Sodium is a soft metal, best kept in kerosene until it is to be used. It
burns in air due to contant with water vapor. It explodes when dropped into
water. (BTDT) The result is sodium hydroxide, and hydrogen gas which then
explodes itself.
.... Kirby (Kirby A. Smith)
2 x 1988 90q
New Hampshire USA
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:26:11 -0400
From: Huw Powell <human@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: Whats the sodium for?
> I pictured the valves as being filled with the sodium, without room to
> slosh around. If it can move around, what's in the empty space, a vacuum?
> Air?
>
> I do believe the sodium is either a powder or a liquid, tho'.
Could be filled solid, when it melts, which it will at operating temps,
it is free to move around (convection) but I don't know if there is
space or if it is full.
> There are
> warnings about cutting into sodium valves, because it's poisonous. I
> would imagine a solid material, even if it was poisonous, would be pretty
> easy to handle safely compared to a liquid or powder.
Sodium is solid at room temp. And very nicely flammable (HS chemistry
demo)! It burns when dropped into water, I think due to the heat
produced by some of it dissolving getting it started. So it is not to
be handled by amateurs or us kids at home...
- --
Huw Powell
http://www.thebook.com/human-speakers/audi-main.htm
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:28:27 -0400
From: Huw Powell <human@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: Whats the sodium for?
> Sodium requires special handling in any form. It reacts with the
> moisture in the air releasing a considerable amount of heat. A common
> High School chemistry demonstration is to place a small chip of metallic
> sodium in water. The chip reacts with the water releasing hydrogen and
> oxygen and enough heat to ignite the hydrogen.
Yeah, that's what I meant...
- --
Huw Powell
http://www.thebook.com/human-speakers/audi-main.htm
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:34:44 -0400
From: Huw Powell <human@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: Can someone give me some info to refute this?
> The reason I write this is I think cars are like women (sorry Dee).
So why is it that this list only seems capable of supporting one active
female participant at a time?
Inquiring minds just want to know...
- --
Huw Powell
http://www.thebook.com/human-speakers/audi-main.htm
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:45:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Maresca <ckm@eainet.com>
Subject: Re: Can someone give me some info to refute this?
On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Brett Dikeman wrote:
> Frankly, Land Rover's SUV/truck division has NEVER turned a profit; it
> survives entirely off LR's other divisions(and I hear it is quite the blood
> sucker.) On top of this, I have NEVER seen a Land Rover car in my life.
> There is probably a reason for that(isn't there a export restriction on LR
> cars? Oh well.)
>
Er, most of this is patenly wrong. Land Rover has made HUGE amounts of
money off of the "SUV/truck division (it was a wholly-owned subsidiary of
BL and had no *car* division)", mostly with the Defender (90/110) series
which was originaly developed in the late 50's and has had very few
modifications until it was dropped a few years ago. Talk about recovering
your development costs...
As anyone who has been anywhere near a British army base will tell you, it
is a favorite and has served in every concievable duty a military vehicle
can serve. It is akin to the US Army's use of the original Jeep. Not
only that, but most armed forces in Europe also use Land Rover's, not to
mention most countries which were in the Commonwealth. The ability to
repair virutally anything on these remarkable machines with just four (!)
tools [included] has been a key factor it's success, not to mention the
unique ball & socket wheel to hub couplings which give a huge amount of
travel.
Land Rover is so successfull, in fact, that BMW decided to buy them.
As for never having seen a Rover, if you've seen a Sterling, you've seen a
Rover car. BTW, many, many incredible cars are not imported into the US
because of the expense of US homolgation. Among them are Rovers.
Besides, Land Rover and Rover haven't been part of the same company since
1982. And the company, BTW, is called British Leyland, which treated them
as two seperate entities.
FYI, Land Rover never used a Torsen because their products are NOT AWD
drive, rather, they are switchable 2wd/4wd. From their website "In 1950,
permanent four-wheel drive was replaced by a system whereby either two or
four-wheel drive could be selected in the high range, with permanent
four-wheel drive in the low range."
Next time you decided to post something, please make sure it is at least
factually correct.
Chris.
'90 CQ
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 19:52:36 -0700
From: Ken Keith <auditude@impulsedata.net>
Subject: RE:Tail lamps painting
David Via <dvia@wolcottgroup.com> wrote:
>
> Did you happen to see the manufacturer or brand of that plastic lens paint
> you mentioned in your post?? I want to get the "smoked" look for the tail
> lamp lenses of my Coupe, but I don't really want to spend $500 (US) or so
> for the Hella replacement lenses... Sounds like some of that black lens
> paint could be perfect.
>
> Anyone on the list have experience with this type of thing? Anyone know if
> it Is it available in the U.S.?
Blaufergnugen has the Folia Tech stuff @ http://www.audiquattroparts.com
Ken
- --
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/garage/4153/
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:06:17 -0500
From: "Matt & Jenai" <matjen@xsite.net>
Subject: Re: Next Mod for my 200Q?
Michael writes:
"However, the big question is this: What do I do about the turbo lag? Once
boost builds, the car goes along pretty well, but it seems to take forever
to get there. What can I do on this car to get some more low-end umph?
Also, what's the easiest thing to do to make this car see better at night? I
keep trying to clean the headlights, only to find that they're not dirty!"
1) I strongly recommend that you advance the timing. This made a big
difference in my 90 200TQW. Surprisingly, it made a bigger difference in
the 90 than in my prior 87 5tq. Turbo lag will not be erased but you will
get the turbo kicking in about 500 rpm sooner.
2) Buy a set of Hella XLs (auxiliary driving lights) Pep Boys for $125. I
have them mounted under my bumper (they are supposed to be on top) and they
still make a pretty big difference. The only drawback is that I have now
joined the ranks of various losers who drive around with their fog lights on
all the time. In my heart I know that I really need the extra light. :-)
HTH
Matt Pfeffer - 89 200 TQW
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:01:28 -0500
From: "Mik Tip" <miktip@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: The Audi Gods Smiled upon me today!
Loaded a 25ft Penske rental with me household goods, trailered the CGT ,and
headed
out on I-10 towards our new home in NC. Stopped in Tallahassee for some
gas and the
wife's 90 wouldn't start!
Hmmm..........
Moved the autobox shifter to "N", still no starter rotation?
Hmmm..........
Messed with ignition key abit...........
Hmmm.........
Then, "as if I were possessed", I made a bead for the fuse box!
Located the "Starter Lockout Relay"
Swapped it for its identical twin, the "horn relay"
and "Whalla", the 90 turned right over!
Happy Happy, Joy, Joy!
"I felt as if I was being tested"
Horn no work though........
Mik
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:37:01 -0400
From: Steve Manning <stephenm@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Discussion, Please
At 09:57 AM 6/1/98 CDT, you wrote:
>This will probably start a new "thread from hell"....
>
>In response to a revent inquiry about silicone brake fluid, Brett D.
>ocmmented that it is "imncompatible" with even small amounts of
>standard brake fluid.
>
>This concerns me, as I have just finished draining the brake
>system and honing the brake cylinders on my long-dormant 1958 Fiat
>1200 Roadster. I planned to use silicone brake fluid on re-assembly
>just to avoid condensation and oxidation during subsequent short
>storage periods.
>
>However, I had not heard this comment before. I am certain there are
>traces of brake fluid in the system. I'm not sure how I would
>eliminate them, unless I did something creative like pouring a quart
>of denatured alcohol thru the system - which I am perfectly willing
>to do.
>
>I welcome thoughts and (anatomically and logistically feasible)
>suggestions....
It is not a good idea to mix silicone (DOT 5) brake fluid with any other
(DOT 4 or lower). The best way to flush is just to flush with the new
silocone fluid (pressure bleeding is best). Run a whole bunch through,
drive for a little bit, then flush again. You'll never get every trace of
it out of the rubber hoses; they absorb some of it. It's best to replace
them at the same time. The hard lines will flush easy, and you've already
cleaned out the brake cylinders, so the master is the only major thing
left. If you're really scrupulous you should replace that now also;
otherwise just flush it good (I'd take it out and do it manually).
I'd question using the silicone altogether, however.....it still has some
incompatibilities with older rubber, and it compresses more under pressure.
What is always mentioned as its big benefit, not absorbing water, can also
be a problem. Since water is going to get in anyway, and the silicone
fluid doesn't absorb it, it puddles in different places. This can cause
rust in those places where that happens.
My practice is to use a good DOT 4 fluid (Castrol LMA, for example), and
bleed the system once/twice a year (usually right before winter storage,
and again in the springtime). It's very quick once you get a system going,
and you flush out the water and any crud with the fluid. I've successfully
done this for years on cars from the '50s, '60s, and '70s; foreign &
American, and haven't had any problems yet!
Yes, I realize some people swear by using the silicone stuff....this is
just my .02 from my experience and others. Your brakes, your choice...no
flames, please!..............SLM
Steve Manning: stephenm@ix.netcom.com
..Physical home: Metro D.C. area, USA
....Virtual home: http://www.stationwagon.com
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:05:23 -0400
From: Levent Cur <lcur@qtm.net>
Subject: Rigging the Parking Lights....
Hey all,
I have a 1993 100CSQ... I recently made it so the foglights will come on
independantly from the headlights... Now i wanna know how can i make it so
the parking lights will always stay bright, like as if you are turning....
Like on the new 98 Vette's and have them as my day time running lights???
Also about the cats.... I need to know if i could just run a straight pipe
or what can i do to make the exhaust sound good... Also will it hurt the
engine performance???
Levent Cur
'93 100CS Quattro (Mine) 84,000 Miles (Mint)
'87 5000CS Turbo (Sister's) 196,000 Miles (Near Mint)
'83 Volvo 240 DL (Mine) 245,000 Miles (Close to Mint)
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 20:17:06 -0000
From: Michael Williams <daserde@ucla.edu>
Subject: hella xl's where can i buy them?
hey all, i have decided that im going to go with a set of Hell KL driving
lights. Where can i order them from that will have the best price.
Hopefully around 120 bucks or less. autobahn wants 160+ for them and
thats a little rich for my blood, so there has to be a place where i can
go, so please let me know.
And i now know that i shouldnt post those kind of things to the list
without first informing you that i was not the author. Sorry bout
that....
later...
Michael Sheridan Williams
ICQ# 11740998
1985 4000 S Quattro 175,000+ miles, 1998 Pearl White, Koni
Yellows/2Bennett, strut brace, Sport 8000 Tires, K&N, MOMO 4pt harnesses
1986 Oceanic Blue, 4000CS Quattro--Parting Out(ask if you want anything)
My father's: 1986 4000 CS Quattro--Graphite 161,000 miles
http://members.aol.com/daserde2
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:19:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: ti@amb.org (Ti Kan)
Subject: Re: Ronal R8
Mark L. Chang writes:
> Did Ronal make any R8's in a pattern that would match an 87 4kcsq?
> Specifically, 4x108mm ?
The factory wheels on the 4KQ *are* OEM versions of the Ronal R8.
- -Ti
96 A4 2.8 quattro
84 5000S 2.1 turbo
80 4000 2.0
- --
/// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik
/// AMB Research Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
/// ti@amb.org
////// http://sunsite.unc.edu/~cddb/tikan/
///
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:18:53 EDT
From: DaveSenu@aol.com
Subject: Pearl Paint Color
I was at the local dealer today picking up an air filter and the one of the
salesman told me that the pearl paint color is going to be or is no longer
available.
Is this true? He said it applied to all models effective somewhat immediately
and certainly to any '99 models.
Why would this be so? I was thinking of buying a Audi in '99 or ?'00 depending
on the market, but if the pearl is going to longer be available I would
probably by something now.
Can anyone shed any light on this? what are the true facts and why would Audi
discontinue a trademark color that has been copied by so many of the lesser
brands?
Please respond to my personal e mail davesenu@aol.com.
Thanks and sorry if this has already been discussed, I have not been able to
keep up for a while now.
Dave Senum
'98 Passat (but, want an A4 or A6)
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:19:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Mark L. Chang" <mchang@ece.nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ronal R8
On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Ti Kan wrote:
> Mark L. Chang writes:
> > Did Ronal make any R8's in a pattern that would match an 87 4kcsq?
> > Specifically, 4x108mm ?
>
> The factory wheels on the 4KQ *are* OEM versions of the Ronal R8.
Whoops... I meant the bigger 15" R8 as so loved by Mr. Payne and company
on their much loved UrQs.
Do I have a name conflict here? My question was if there were 4x108mm 15"
Ronal R8s, like the UrQ wheels.
Just curious,
mark
[PGP] finger mchang@ece.nwu.edu
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:27:25 -0500
From: "Matt & Jenai" <matjen@xsite.net>
Subject: Re: hella xl's where can i buy them?
Michael,
I had a set order by my local Pep Boys. Price was about $125. By the way,
I strongly recommend these lights.
HTH
Matt Pfeffer - 89 200TQW
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:25:54 -0600
From: "Frank Amoroso" <famoroso@sprintmail.com>
Subject: WTB, or trade, '85-'87 4K dash...
I need the plastic that fits over the instrument faces. The one that the
switches (headlight & hazard, etc). Mine has a crack in it. I'm getting the
car ready for sale so I'd like to replace this piece.
Thanks,
Frank--
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: ti@amb.org (Ti Kan)
Subject: Re: Ronal R8
Mark L. Chang writes:
> On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Ti Kan wrote:
> > Mark L. Chang writes:
> > > Did Ronal make any R8's in a pattern that would match an 87 4kcsq?
> > > Specifically, 4x108mm ?
> >
> > The factory wheels on the 4KQ *are* OEM versions of the Ronal R8.
>
> Whoops... I meant the bigger 15" R8 as so loved by Mr. Payne and company
> on their much loved UrQs.
>
> Do I have a name conflict here? My question was if there were 4x108mm 15"
> Ronal R8s, like the UrQ wheels.
I have 4x100mm 15" Ronal R8s on my 4000. I would imagine that 4x108mm
versions of the 15" R8s also exist, but since R8s have ceased production
long ago, it would be virtually impossible to find new ones, and used
ones will be rare.
- -Ti
96 A4 2.8 quattro
84 5000S 2.1 turbo
80 4000 2.0
- --
/// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik
/// AMB Research Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
/// ti@amb.org
////// http://sunsite.unc.edu/~cddb/tikan/
///
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:41:44 +0000
From: "R. Shayne Pavlic'" <bcpi@arias.net>
Subject: Re: Can someone give me some info to refute this?
"As for never having seen a Rover, if you've seen a Sterling, you've seen a
Rover car. BTW, many, many incredible cars are not imported into the US
because of the expense of US homolgation. Among them are Rovers."
Also if my memory serves me right, Rover actually sold cars here with the
Rover name on them in the 70's and 80's.
Shayne
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