Jeremiah : <<Tell me about it, I'm thinking an Ur-Q might be a better play car than a 914 now. Just gotta figure out how to have and insure two cars in NYC first.>> Sell the A4 (no offense intended to A4 owners) , buy a UrQ _and_ a 914. Excellent combination! Bill Elliott Lake Mills, WI 85 UrQ (driver), 66 Corsa, 71 TR6 (play cars)