You can check for play with a prybar. If you can move the steering wheel from side to side in quick little movements without affecting the direction of the car, it's probably the joints. -- Dan Simoes dans@ans.net ANS Communications http://coimbra.ans.net/dans.html 100 Manhattanville Road (914) 701-5378 (voice) Purchase, NY 10577 (914) 701-5310 (fax)