RE: flag debate

[Eaton Dave <dave.eaton@minedu.govt.nz>]

so much bullsh*t, so little time.....

look lets forget all this flag waving stuff and stick to the facts shall we?

further to the objective test references i posted yesterday is another
one...

from autocar 23/9/98 and their "handling test" which rated 14 cars around a
circuit driven by professional drivers and their testers.

once again real watchs not mythical (or hyped ones).  once again real facts,
not opinions....

bmw 328i (193hp rwd) 1:17.64 (11th)
jag xkr (370hp rwd) 1:15.15 (10th)
imprezza wrx (240hp awd) 1:14.52 (9th)
merc e55 (370hp rwd) 1:12.89 (8th)
porker 911 (300hp rwd) 1:12.12 (5th)
mitsi evo v (280hp awd) 1:11.93 (4th)
ferrari f50 (479hp rwd) 1:09.81 (2nd)

i'll refrain from pointing out the results from the horsepower handicaped
awd cars, otherwise i might be tempted to say "told you so", and i don't
want to do that.  i'll also refrain from writing what that said about hte
bmw.

anyway clearly horsepower and drive configuration and weight distribution
isn't all there is to it.

sigh....

dave
'95 rs2
'90 ur-q

> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:10:07 -0500
> From: "Matt & Jenai" <matjen@xsite.net>
> Subject: Re: flag debate
> 
> Bruce writes:
> "I drive Audi's because it is the only turbo awd wagon sold in America
that
> =you
> can buy cheap and use like a zippo lighter---put the miles on and =throw
> away.
> I love my audi cars, but I don't race M3's."
> 
> I absolutely agree.  However, since I've added Bilstein Sports on all four
> and coil-overs in the rear of my wagon, I consider staying within sight of
> M3 a moral victory...
> 
> I know, I know...Audi dominated in 88 and 96 and they changed the rules,
> and, but, and...get over it.  As Da Coach (Ditka) sez "...only cowards and
> losers live in the past."
> 
> Race results have little to do with how well our street cars handle or
> compare to the competition.  Sh*t, didn't Honda (perhaps Renault) do well
> this year in Touring Car races.  We better watch out for all those Accords
> and Alliances here in the States.  For those that want to buy into the
> quattro advantage crap (with regard to handling) I suggest you check out
the
> 2/98 issue of performance car.  They compare a bone stock euro fwd A6 to a
> euro A6q.  Guess what.  No advantage in a 193 hp car.  H*ll, in the wet
> handling course (two tight left-handers, a longer right-hander and three
> quarters of a lap of a large diameter circle that forms the hub the wet
grip
> facility where the testing took place) the q turned in a 39.9 seconds to
the
> fwd's 40.1 seconds.  The wet lateral g was q .70 to fwd's .69.
>