In a message dated 99-12-15 23:34:15 EST, you write: << btw the "plus" is somewhere around 1,000 pounds, isn't it? -- >> He he he.....Gee, I think my coupe tips the scales at 2300lbs (now that we took a bunch of stuff out...), which is about 2/3's of a 5000. Later! Carter J Kwattro@aol.com