Ed Kellock decided to speak these words: >So it's either one really dry lifter, >or something else, like the vacuum pump rod? Sounds to me like that is what it is...check it out, it is a simple procedure..... Michael Sheridan Williams My new one: 1985 4000 S Quattro 172,000+ miles, and going like a new car 1985 Coupe GT(for sale, cheap, $1000) 163,000+ miles http://members.aol.com/daserde2